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><channel><title>religion sucketh &#187; Church</title> <atom:link href="http://www.religionsucketh.com/category/church/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.religionsucketh.com</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:36:31 +0000</lastBuildDate> <language>en</language> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=abc</generator> <item><title>Jefferson, the Bible and Independence Day</title><link>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/07/04/jefferson-the-bible-and-independence-day/</link> <comments>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/07/04/jefferson-the-bible-and-independence-day/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 00:23:02 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Church]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Religion]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.religionsucketh.com/?p=1525</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p><img
width="150" height="150" src="http://www.religionsucketh.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/thomas-jefferson-picture-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail wp-post-image" alt="thomas-jefferson-picture" title="thomas-jefferson-picture" /></p>I saw the following quote on a church sign today: The Bible is the foundation of liberty. Not bad, assuming you&#8217;re a Christian. Only one problem &#8211; the quote was attributed to Thomas Jefferson. You know, our third president. Now, I believe Jefferson was one of the greatest presidents in U.S. history, and there are [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img
width="150" height="150" src="http://www.religionsucketh.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/thomas-jefferson-picture-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail wp-post-image" alt="thomas-jefferson-picture" title="thomas-jefferson-picture" /></p><p>I saw the following quote on a church sign today:</p><blockquote><p>The Bible is the foundation of liberty.</p></blockquote><p>Not bad, assuming you&#8217;re a Christian.</p><p>Only one problem &#8211; the quote was attributed to Thomas Jefferson.</p><p>You know, our third president.</p><p>Now, I believe Jefferson was one of the greatest presidents in U.S. history, and there are many good quotes attributed to him; but considering he was a deist and even removed portions of the Bible with which he did not agree, how am I supposed to take the above quote seriously?</p><p>Oh, wait, that type of thinking screws up the whole <em>God and country</em> sermon they were planning, doesn&#8217;t it?</p><p>Seriously &#8211; if that&#8217;s the direction you&#8217;re wanting to go, there&#8217;s better quotes to use.</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/07/04/jefferson-the-bible-and-independence-day/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Sunday&#8217;s Coming</title><link>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/05/06/sundays-coming/</link> <comments>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/05/06/sundays-coming/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 02:56:31 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Church]]></category> <category><![CDATA[drive]]></category> <category><![CDATA[north point]]></category> <category><![CDATA[North Point Community Church]]></category> <category><![CDATA[sunday]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.religionsucketh.com/?p=1138</guid> <description><![CDATA[A rather humorous look at trends in the church, thanks to the church many would call a trendsetter, North Point Community Church. This was played earlier this week at their annual Drive Conference. I think the message here is quit copying others and do what God told you to do. &#8220;Sunday&#8217;s Coming&#8221; Movie Trailer from [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rather humorous look at trends in the church, thanks to the church many would call a trendsetter, <A
HREF="http://www.northpoint.org/">North Point Community Church</A>. This was played earlier this week at their annual <A
HREF="http://driveconference.com/">Drive Conference</A>. I think the message here is <em>quit copying others and do what God told you to do.</em></p><p><object
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href="http://vimeo.com/northpointmedia">North Point Media</a> on <a
href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/05/06/sundays-coming/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>John Piper&#8217;s Upcoming Leave</title><link>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/03/28/john-pipers-upcoming-leave/</link> <comments>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/03/28/john-pipers-upcoming-leave/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:52:22 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Blogging]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Church]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Family]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Life]]></category> <category><![CDATA[bethlehem baptist church]]></category> <category><![CDATA[john piper]]></category> <category><![CDATA[pride]]></category> <category><![CDATA[sabbatical]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.religionsucketh.com/?p=1103</guid> <description><![CDATA[I don't always agree with Piper's teachings, but those differences are with secondary issues. I pray God raises up more pastors and leaders like John Piper. Leaders who aren't ashamed to admit they are human and as such have flaws that they allow God to reveal to them and then work out of them.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was checking Facebook this afternoon and noticed a link that Scott Thomas (<A
HREF="http://www.acts29network.org/">Acts 29</A> director) posted with the caption,</p><blockquote><p>John Piper is taking 8 months off to examine his ministry, marriage and family. Pray for Pastor John.</p></blockquote><p>Now, I don&#8217;t know about you, but the first thought that came to mind (God forgive me) was moral failure.</p><p>Thankfully, I was wrong.</p><p>After reading the entire blog post from Pastor John, I&#8217;m actually speechless. Here&#8217;s an excerpt:</p><blockquote><p>I asked the elders to consider this leave because of a growing sense that my soul, my marriage, my family, and my ministry-pattern need a reality check from the Holy Spirit. On the one hand, I love my Lord, my wife, my five children and their families first and foremost; and I love my work of preaching and writing and leading Bethlehem. I hope the Lord gives me at least five more years as the pastor for preaching and vision at Bethlehem.</p><p>But on the other hand, I see several species of pride in my soul that, while they may not rise to the level of disqualifying me for ministry, grieve me, and have taken a toll on my relationship with Noël and others who are dear to me. How do I apologize to you, not for a specific deed, but for ongoing character flaws, and their effects on everybody? I’ll say it now, and no doubt will say it again, I’m sorry. Since I don’t have just one deed to point to, I simply ask for a spirit of forgiveness; and I give you as much assurance as I can that I am not making peace, but war, with my own sins.</p><p>By John Piper. © Desiring God.</A> Website: <A
HREF="http://desiringGod.org">desiringGod.org</A></p></blockquote><p>Wow.</p><p>I don&#8217;t always agree with Piper&#8217;s teachings, but those differences are with secondary issues. I pray God raises up more pastors and leaders like John Piper. Leaders who aren&#8217;t ashamed to admit they are human and as such have flaws that they allow God to reveal to them and then work out of them.</p><p><A
HREF="http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/TasteAndSee/ByDate/2010/4555">Click here to read the full article.</A></p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/03/28/john-pipers-upcoming-leave/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Hate = Sin</title><link>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/03/26/hate-sin/</link> <comments>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/03/26/hate-sin/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:43:20 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Church]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Culture]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Jesus]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Life]]></category> <category><![CDATA[acceptance]]></category> <category><![CDATA[approval]]></category> <category><![CDATA[choice]]></category> <category><![CDATA[choices]]></category> <category><![CDATA[hate]]></category> <category><![CDATA[lifestyle]]></category> <category><![CDATA[love]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.religionsucketh.com/?p=1102</guid> <description><![CDATA[Acceptance, NOT approval.I mean, that's what Jesus did, right?]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is something that&#8217;s been gnawing at me for awhile.</p><p>Years in fact.</p><p>But seeing how <A
HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/25/congress.threats/index.html?hpt=Sbin">violent some of the Obamacare protestors have become</A>, I feel like I have to say (or write) something.</p><p>Hate for your fellow man or woman = SIN.</p><p>That being said, I realize that sinners sin (seeing that &#8220;sin&#8221; is the root word of &#8220;sinner&#8221;). But Christians are called to love.</p><p>Ed Young once said,</p><blockquote><p><A
HREF="http://www.edyoungblog.com/2008/09/face-to-face-wi.html">We don&#8217;t confuse acceptance with approval.</A></p></blockquote><p>Acceptance, NOT approval.</p><p>I mean, that&#8217;s what Jesus did, right?</p><p>He met sinners where they were at; not after they had changed or &#8220;cleaned up&#8221; or &#8220;gotten right with God&#8221;, but where they were at. (Mark 2:16 &#038; 17, Luke 5:27-32)</p><p>He accepted them for who they were, but He didn&#8217;t approve of their lifestyle.</p><p>Nor did he condemn them for their lifestyle. He knew how to cut to the heart of the matter without judgment or condemnation. (John 4:1-42, John 8:2-11)</p><p>In fact, the only times we see him being judgmental in the gospels are in His encounters with wayward religious leaders. (Matthew 15:1-3, Matthew 23:13-39)</p><p>So, if Jesus was able to show love and accept those around Him, even when they differed in opinion, lifestyle, choices, beliefs, etc., why can&#8217;t we?</p><p>Earlier today I tweeted the following;</p><blockquote><p>Hatred = sin. God created equally so why hate? Black/white, conservative/liberal, gay/straight, Mac/PC, etc. (Matthew 5:21-22)</p></blockquote><p>Take, for example, conservatives, liberals and this past weekend&#8217;s healthcare vote.</p><p>Is it wrong to voice your opinion? No.</p><p>Is it wrong to protest peacefully? No.</p><p>But when you start dragging people through the mud, when you make derogatory jokes about those who you&#8217;ll &#8220;end up buying insurance for&#8221;, when you claim Obama is the anti-Christ and the end of the world is at hand, are you showing Jesus through those actions?</p><p>Does anyone reading this really believe God was surprised by how the vote turned out?</p><p>I&#8217;m not telling anyone to stop making their opinions known, or to take a back seat. Ignorance is not bliss.</p><p>But if you call yourself a Christian, remember who you represent.</p><p>If you&#8217;ve got something to say, say it in love. (1 John 4:20-21)</p><p>Another example &#8211; homosexuality.</p><p>I don&#8217;t care what you believe concerning homosexuality and sin. That&#8217;s another post for another day.</p><p>But reread 1 John 4:20-21 real quick.</p><p>Know any gays or lesbians?</p><p>Are you showing them love, or do you love to make fun and belittle them?</p><p>I could go on; racism, classism, education, etc., but you get the point.</p><p>There&#8217;s a song on the latest <A
HREF="http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/awake/id343181976">North Point CD</A> called &#8220;Everything&#8221; which pretty much sums up my point in the first verse.</p><blockquote><p>God in my living<br
/> There in my breathing<br
/> God in my waking<br
/> God in my sleeping<br
/> God in my resting<br
/> There in my working<br
/> God in my thinking<br
/> God in my speaking</p><p>Be my everything (4x)</p></blockquote> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/03/26/hate-sin/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>15</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>What Would Happen&#8230;&#8230;</title><link>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/03/12/what-would-happen/</link> <comments>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/03/12/what-would-happen/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:32:52 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Church]]></category> <category><![CDATA[revival]]></category> <category><![CDATA[what if]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.religionsucketh.com/?p=1080</guid> <description><![CDATA[if Christians/churches took the amount of prayer, fasting and preparation they invest in <em>revivals</em> and spent just as much time in prayer, fasting and preparation for every weekly service?]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if Christians/churches took the amount of prayer, fasting and preparation they invest in <em>revivals</em> and spent just as much time in prayer, fasting and preparation for every weekly service?</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/03/12/what-would-happen/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>LOLcat Bible Translation</title><link>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/02/25/lolcat-bible-translation/</link> <comments>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/02/25/lolcat-bible-translation/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:53:57 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Church]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Funny]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Bible]]></category> <category><![CDATA[cats]]></category> <category><![CDATA[humor]]></category> <category><![CDATA[LOL]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://religionsucketh.com/?p=1067</guid> <description><![CDATA[From the creators of LOLCATS and iCanHasCheezBurger comes the LOLCAT Bible Translation!!! Seriously. But it&#8217;s actually pretty funny, and, from the portions I&#8217;ve read, it&#8217;s at least more accurate than most children&#8217;s Bibles. More info over at ChurchCrunch. HT: ChurchCrunch.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the creators of <a
HREF="http://lolcats.com/">LOLCATS</a> and <a
HREF="http://icanhascheezburger.com/">iCanHasCheezBurger</a> comes the LOLCAT Bible Translation!!!</p><p><a
href="http://www.religionsucketh.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/lolcat-bible1.png"><img
src="http://www.religionsucketh.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/lolcat-bible1.png" alt="" title="lolcat-bible" width="232" height="325" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1071" /></a></p><p>Seriously.</p><p>But it&#8217;s actually pretty funny, and, from the portions I&#8217;ve read, it&#8217;s at least more accurate than most children&#8217;s Bibles.</p><p>More info over at <a
HREF="http://churchcrunch.com/lolcat-bibles-translation-is-teh-uber/">ChurchCrunch</a>.</p><p>HT: <a
HREF="http://churchcrunch.com/lolcat-bibles-translation-is-teh-uber/">ChurchCrunch</a>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/02/25/lolcat-bible-translation/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Random Question</title><link>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/02/03/random-question/</link> <comments>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/02/03/random-question/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:39:02 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Church]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Society]]></category> <category><![CDATA[America]]></category> <category><![CDATA[attendance]]></category> <category><![CDATA[population]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://religionsucketh.com/2010/02/03/random-question/</guid> <description><![CDATA[Overall church attendance in America is decreasing, yet the population in America is increasing. Why?]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall church attendance in America is decreasing, yet the population in America is increasing.</p><p>Why?</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/02/03/random-question/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>4</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>The Reverse Flow of Missions &#8211; Sacrifice</title><link>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/01/31/the-reverse-flow-of-missions-sacrifice/</link> <comments>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/01/31/the-reverse-flow-of-missions-sacrifice/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:13:18 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Church]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Christian]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Christianity]]></category> <category><![CDATA[persecution]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Relevant]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://religionsucketh.com/?p=1034</guid> <description><![CDATA[I love reading stories about successful missionaries. Because 100% of the time it's people who prepared themselves by learning at least the basics of the native language, the culture, etc. Then they planted themselves in a community and established relationships with their neighbors and became viable, contributing members of society - all BEFORE doing ANYTHING religious.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In part 4 of The Reverse Flow of Missions <a
href="http://www.relevantmagazine.com/magazine/current-issue">(Relevant, January/February 2010, pg. 60)</a>, Jaeson Ma writes:</p><blockquote><p>When you go to Asia, there&#8217;s not even a question whether or not people will lay down and die for the Gospel. There is a radical commitment and perseverance&#8230;&#8230;</p></blockquote><p>If you spent any time as a student in a church youth group or Christian school you probably heard at least once the story about soldiers in a anti-Christian country <em>invading</em> a church and threatening anyone who professed to be Christian and allowing those who denied Christ to leave safely, all to <em>reveal</em> to the <em>true Christians</em> that they too were Christians and merely &#8220;wanted to worship with fellow believers who shared their zeal and lack of fear of death.&#8221;</p><p>I&#8217;m not trying to discount the persecution of Christians in nations that are not as friendly towards Christians as the U.S. is, but I&#8217;ve heard nearly a dozen incarnations of that story over the years and each time it had a different country of origin, so it was obviously a tool to try and coerce teens subjected to peer pressure to step out of their comfort zones and BE Christ to those around them. And while it is now cliched, it does prove a point: why are people in the West so quick to claim Christ, yet so slow to obey His teachings?</p><p>Perfect example &#8211; the Grammy Awards will be airing tonight. Not that anyone even watches the Grammys anymore, but if you do watch the show, just count how many times you hear someone say something along the lines of,</p><blockquote><p>I&#8217;d like to thank God for&#8230;&#8230;</p><p>I&#8217;d like to thank my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ&#8230;&#8230;</p></blockquote><p>I recently finished reading <a
href="http://www.crossway.org/product/158134841X">Church History: A Crash Course For the Curious</a> by Christopher Catherwood and one of dominant themes of his book is how Christianity has not shrunk, but instead has traditionally exploded in times of persecution. From ancient Rome to the Protestant Reformation to China and most of Asia and most recently the former Soviet Union, historically, it is when the Christianity seems to be at it&#8217;s greatest risk of being squashed that the seeds of the Christian faith take root and reproduce the most.</p><p>Are we in the West too comfortable?</p><p>Are we in the United States spoiled by being a <em>Christian nation</em>?</p><p>According to the Barna Group, in Western Europe, once the seat of Christianity, while over 73% of the population claims to be Christian, less than one half of one percent of the population attend church regularly. America is not far behind &#8211; once the largest exporter of foreign missionaries, the United States is now the third largest mission field in the world. There are now more people coming into the U.S. from other countries to share the gospel than being sent out from the U.S.</p><blockquote><p>Most of these places are not open to Westerners. Asian Christians aren&#8217;t going in as missionaries, they&#8217;re going in to plant businesses &#8211; to contribute to economies. They are going in as gentle as doves but as wise as serpents.</p></blockquote><p>I&#8217;m still amazed when I read of missionaries from the U.S. that pack up and move to a foreign nation with little or no preparation. They don&#8217;t bother to learn the language or the culture or the mores and values of said culture. They just believe that Jesus will take care of everything.</p><p>And then you see a story on CNN about Christian missionaries being deported.</p><p>Or killed.</p><p>Which is why I love reading stories about successful missionaries. Because 100% of the time it&#8217;s people who prepared themselves by learning at least the basics of the native language, the culture, etc. Then they planted themselves in a community and established relationships with their neighbors and became viable, contributing members of society &#8211; all BEFORE doing ANYTHING religious.</p><p>Sure, that method may take longer, but the results are longer-lasting. Church planters in America have even begun adopting this method. Instead of moving to a city, leasing a building and announcing &#8220;Here&#8217;s a new church! Come check us out!&#8221;, they&#8217;re moving to cities, establishing relationships in their communities and becoming respected, contributing members of that community all before ever holding a church service. And it&#8217;s working &#8211; churches like <a
href="http://www.gatewaychurch.com/">Gateway Church</a> in Austin, Texas and <a
href="http://www.fourpointschurch.tv/home.html">Four Points Church</a> in Acworth, Georgia were started this way. Churches like <a
href="http://www.northpoint.org">North Point</a> in Alpharetta, Georgia and <a
href="http://www.marshillchurch.org">Mars Hill</a> in Seattle, Washington were started in similar fashion, but by lifelong residents of those communities.</p><p>It&#8217;s should come as no surprise then that churches started in that method usually end up having a reputation for giving back to their communities. They believe God has called them to serve their communities, not merely by providing a place of worship on the weekends, but by truly SERVING the people in their community through service projects and special events. Another church at the forefront of this movement is <a
href="http://www.healingplacechurch.org/">Healing Place Church</a> in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, whose pastor (Dino Rizzo) coined the term <em>Servolution</em>, which is also the title of <a
href="http://www.amazon.com/Servolution-Starting-Revolution-Leadership-Innovation/dp/0310287634/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1264946769&#038;sr=8-1">his book</a> on the subject of serving your community.</p><p>The funny thing is, while one could argue those churches (and many others) are taking cues from churches in the East, the fact is none of this is new. Forgotten? Yes. But new? No. It&#8217;s all very reminiscent of the practices of the Christian church in it&#8217;s first few centuries. The early church believed not only in providing for the spiritual needs of people, but also the practical needs of people.</p><p>Thoughts?</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/01/31/the-reverse-flow-of-missions-sacrifice/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>The Reverse Flow of Missions &#8211; Perspective On Money</title><link>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/01/30/the-reverse-flow-of-missions-perspective-on-money/</link> <comments>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/01/30/the-reverse-flow-of-missions-perspective-on-money/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:00:48 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Church]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Christian]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Christianity]]></category> <category><![CDATA[First Baptist Dallas]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Money]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Robert Jeffress]]></category> <category><![CDATA[tim stevens]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://religionsucketh.com/?p=1014</guid> <description><![CDATA[For part three of The Reverse Flow of Missions (Relevant, January/February 2010, pg. 60) Jaeson Ma contrasts the Eastern church's perspective on money with that of the West's. Ma writes: "Most of the leadership in Asia is lay-driven. Elders/pastors/apostles/prophets are bi-vocational. Money is used to fund missions, plant churches and further the cause of mission. Very little goes into church buildings/salaries/church programs."]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For part three of The Reverse Flow of Missions <a
href="http://www.relevantmagazine.com/magazine/current-issue">(Relevant, January/February 2010, pg. 60)</a> Jaeson Ma contrasts the Eastern church&#8217;s perspective on money with that of the West&#8217;s. Ma writes:</p><blockquote><p>Most of the leadership in Asia is lay-driven. Elders/pastors/apostles/prophets are bi-vocational. Money is used to fund missions, plant churches and further the cause of mission. Very little goes into church buildings/salaries/church programs.</p></blockquote><p>Not much to say here &#8211; I helped start a church and at one point my dream job was to be on staff at a church, so I don&#8217;t disagree with the idea of pastors and staff receiving a salary or some type of compensation (even if it isn&#8217;t financial), because everyone wants to be rewarded for their work. When was the last time you complained about how much doctors make? Or educators? But God forbid a pastor or other church staff member makes X amount of dollars!!! That said, I do find it disheartening when I hear about a church that is having a rough time financially, yet the pastor is driving around in an exotic sports or luxury car. Or even worse, when a church is right in the middle of an impoverished community and isn&#8217;t doing anything to help, yet the pastor is wearing expensive clothing, driving an expensive car and will only venture into that community because his/her church is in it. As one friend said to me, &#8220;I believe 100% in tithing, but when compared to New Testament churches it appears to go to those in need&#8230; now I feel like it just pays some bills for the building in which we sit.&#8221; Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; I&#8217;d like to be riding around on a custom chopper and live in a mansion, but there is a line between having your needs met and having more than you need and when you&#8217;ve gone so far you don&#8217;t remember where that line is, there&#8217;s a problem.</p><p>I also don&#8217;t see anything inherently wrong with investing money into buildings, technology and infrastructure. The problem I have is not so much the WHAT but the WHY. For example, one story making the rounds on many blogs is <a
href="http://ascendio.com/fbd/">that of the building project that First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas is undertaking</a>. Do they need a new sanctuary &#8211; from the looks of things, yes. Is that cheap &#8211; of course not. But when I went to their website and read one of their primary reasons for this project, it definitely touched a nerve in me:</p><blockquote><p>As I look around downtown Dallas, I see spectacular temples of commerce, of culture and of government – many new, some restored to former glory, and all intended to stand for generations. The Kingdom of God needs a home to equal them – a spiritual oasis in the middle of downtown.</p></blockquote><p>Really?</p><p>Jesus needs a temple in Dallas equal to those of commerce, culture and government?</p><p>I don&#8217;t even know where to start on that statement, so I&#8217;m going to leave that alone for fear of sinning in anger. Like I said, they probably need a new building as they are a growing church and are in an aging, outdated building. But if that statement is truly their primary purpose for the building project (and it appears that way since it&#8217;s the first thing you see on their building project website), then that is scary.</p><p>Tim Stevens wrote a two part post on his blog earlier this month contrasting local church trends in the year 2000 and currently in 2010 (<a
href="http://www.leadingsmart.com/leadingsmart/2010/01/a-decade-of-changes-part-1.html">Part 1</a> &amp; <a
href="http://www.leadingsmart.com/leadingsmart/2010/01/a-decade-of-changes-part-2.html">Part 2</a>). Just a sample of what he had to say &#8211; you should read it for yourself.</p><blockquote><p><strong>2000</strong>: Church buildings were mostly viewed as status symbols.<br
/> <strong> 2010</strong>: You only build if absolutely necessary. The need to have everyone at one location has been eliminated by technology. Money spent on extravagant buildings is seen as wasteful, and the definition of what is &#8220;extravagant&#8221; is lower than it was ten years ago.</p><p><strong>2000</strong>: &#8220;You want to meet Jesus and grow spiritually? Come to church this Sunday.&#8221; We expected people to come to us.<br
/> <strong> 2010</strong>: Churches are becoming more intentional about helping people integrate their faith into their daily lives&#8230;not just for a few hours on Sunday. We are less concerned about attendance and more concerned about outcomes.</p><p><strong>2000</strong>: We hired professionals. Pastors and directors were being hired left and right to lead or do ministry. A senior pastor was being transformed from a shepherd and teacher to a manager and CEO.<br
/> <strong> 2010</strong>: The realities of a tough economy hit and more and more churches are reducing staff&#8211;not hiring. Volunteers are being called on for high capacity roles like campus pastor and children&#8217;s ministry director. Church leaders are learning new skills&#8211;like leading people who aren&#8217;t motivated by a paycheck and who are significantly more qualified in a role than the pastor is.</p><p><strong>2000</strong>: &#8220;Come to a service. Volunteer for a ministry. Help grow the church.&#8221; None of that was bad, but it was very inward focused. The mindset was to make the church stronger and more feature-filled so that when our friends visit, it will be a great place for them to meet Christ.<br
/> <strong> 2010</strong>: Added to that, here is a deep-felt sense that if we don&#8217;t make a difference in the local community, then our Christianity is in question. More churches are becoming intentional about improving the statistics in their city on crime, education, poverty, hunger and violence.</p></blockquote><p>Like I said in part two of this series, while it seems the majority of American churches are clinging to the same model of decades past, there are some that are beginning to question the effectiveness of their traditions and practices and realizing that if they don&#8217;t change, they may lose their effectiveness and their influence, and eventually die.</p><p>Coming tomorrow: The Reverse Flow of Missions &#8211; Sacrifice</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/01/30/the-reverse-flow-of-missions-perspective-on-money/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>The Reverse Flow of Missions &#8211; Denominationalism</title><link>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/01/29/the-reverse-flow-of-missions-denominationalism/</link> <comments>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/01/29/the-reverse-flow-of-missions-denominationalism/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:00:25 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Church]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Christian]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Christianity]]></category> <category><![CDATA[denomination]]></category> <category><![CDATA[future]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://religionsucketh.com/?p=1009</guid> <description><![CDATA["What makes your denomination unique?" "Oh, well, when we baptize people we dunk them." "That's it?"]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday I began a series of posts in response to Jaeson Ma&#8217;s article The Reverse Flow of Missions, which you can read in the current issue of Relevant Magazine (pg. 60). In his article, Ma keeps it pretty short by simply stating there isn&#8217;t much of a denominational presence amongst the churches in East Asia, which of course is a direct contrast to Western churches. He states,</p><blockquote><p>Most churches are no more than 15-30 people, but you might see a house church network with a million members who see themselves as truly one.</p></blockquote><p>Carlos Whittaker wrote a blog post last year titled You&#8217;re Growing? Well, She&#8217;s Dying in which he used a very powerful quote from Perry Noble:</p><blockquote><p>Perry Noble said something at Unleash in reference to denominations shrinking. Something akin to if it were their money that was shrinking, there would be a strategy in place to fix it yesterday.<br
/> That is some truth spittin’ double slap right there.</p></blockquote><p>I couldn&#8217;t have said it better. Are there churches in America that are experiencing unprecedented growth? Sure &#8211; I&#8217;ve referenced many on this blog in the past. And, coincidentally (or maybe not), those churches are non-denominational. But the fact is, megachurches are the exception &#8211; not the norm. According to The Barna Group the average church congregation in the United States is 75 people. My intention here is not to argue what the perfect church size is, because that is subjective. Smaller churches can do things larger ones can&#8217;t and vice/versa. But a question I&#8217;ve had for awhile is, has the purpose of denominations ended?</p><p>I GET the purpose of denominations &#8211; connection. If you&#8217;re a pastor and want to talk with another pastor who has similar beliefs, you go to the nearest pastor of the same denomination. If you&#8217;ve just moved to a new area, instead of visiting church after church, just find the nearest denominational church you&#8217;ve been associated with. But what makes denominations unique in the twenty-first century? Churches are no longer relying on denominational publishers to provide them with music. Leaders aren&#8217;t coming exclusively from denominationally based colleges and seminaries. It&#8217;s not unusual to hear a &#8220;Pentecostal&#8221; song in a Baptist worship service. It&#8217;s not uncommon to see someone who graduated from a Methodist seminary serving in a Assembly of God church. On top of that, what happens when the denomination you&#8217;ve clung to your whole life begins doing things you have been taught for years are against scripture? The Episcopalian church is one example; by ordaining gay and lesbian bishops, regardless of what your beliefs are concerning homosexuality, you have to admit that decision by the denomination put many life-long followers out in the cold by forcing them to either accept something they had, up until recently, been taught differently on, or find a new church. So the name on the sign is no longer indicative of the style, or even the teachings, of a particular church.</p><p>I believe Mark Driscoll sums it up best in the video below.<br
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src="http://www.youtube.com/v/oAnGPGd9NyM&#038;hl=en_US&#038;fs=1&#038;color1=0x5d1719&#038;color2=0xcd311b" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object></p><p>As far as networks go, Mars Hill started the Acts 29 Network, which exists to start churches that will plant other churches. No denominational lines, no particular methodology to adhere to &#8211; as long as your theology is Biblical and you desire to be a church that starts other churches then you&#8217;re welcome to apply for your church to be part of the Acts 29 Network. North Point has a program called Strategic Partnership where they send people out to start churches all across the world and provide those churches with resources and curriculums. There&#8217;s also the Association of Related Churches (ARC) which is similar to Acts 29 in that they are cross-denominational and exist to start churches that will start other churches. And you don&#8217;t have to be in Acts 29 or ARC or have a Strategic Partnership with North Point to benefit from them. All three organizations offer their resources, hold conferences and more &#8211; some even for free.</p><p>So, while the majority of American churches are still clinging to the same model that&#8217;s been used for the past few hundred years, there are highly influential churches out there that are evolving and trying to push others along as well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://www.religionsucketh.com/2010/01/29/the-reverse-flow-of-missions-denominationalism/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> </channel> </rss>
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