Is 'Initial Evidence' Limited To One Expression?

I grew up in a church that is part of a pentecostal denomination, so for years I heard not only the call to salvation, but also the call to be baptized in the Holy Spirit…… with the evidence of speaking in other tongues.

I’ve visited other churches which also make the claim that speaking in tongues is the only initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. In fact, every pentecostal denomination I know of has put in their doctrine the belief that speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of baptism in the Holy Spirit (although the two largest pentecostal denominations are considering removing the limitations on initial evidence).

I DO NOT believe any spiritual gift is necessary for salvation (nor do I believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation), but I DO believe spiritual gifts are still available to Christians and that the Holy Spirit is still active in the world today, but my question is this: is speaking in tongues the only initial evidence of baptism in the Holy Spirit? And why or why not?

What's Your Blog Rated?

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A couple of bloggers I follow both had posts today featuring a website that assigns your blog a MPAA-style rating based on words, categories and topics.
Of course, this brings up a good question: what should a “Christian” blog’s rating be? Scott Williams of LifeChurch.tv wrote about his experiences working in the corrections system for over 13 years and how, due to the things he saw and heard, that job would be rated R. Similarily, I worked at a behavioral health hospital for a year and due to the things I saw and heard would have to give that experience an R rating. I may have seen some of those people at their absolute worst, but I was able to help several of them change their lives for good and that is what it’s all about.

Some (myself included) argue that if books received ratings, the Bible would be rated R, or worse. And while there are some who will disagree, I believe the best way to lead someone to Jesus is to show them unconditional love. Which means getting to know them, hanging out with them and being “there” for them where they’re at. That means you don’t wait for them to clean up. That means you might hear things that would be rated R and see things that would be rated R. And it WILL get messy. Just look at King David as an example; he committed adultery and murder, all while serving God. And then later we read where he kills one of his sons. But I’m constantly reminded of something Perry Noble loves to say:

“The ONLY difference between a non-Christian and a Christian is JESUS… that’s IT!!! If we lose sight of that we lose sight of what He REALLY did for us on the cross!”

So what’s your blog rated? I thought for sure mine would be rated R, but as it turns out, it’s only PG. But I think that’s because the website only rates the front page instead the whole blog; I have a feeling if they rated every post I wouldn’t have gotten a PG rating.

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James 2: Revenge of the Apostle

Only kidding; there is a thread on my Facebook page where I was discussing James 2:1-9 and a friend wrote “James 2: Revenge of the Apostle” in reference to “Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen”.

On a serious note though, I was reading James 2 last night, and I’ve probably read James a couple hundred times over the course of my life, so I wasn’t expecting any new revelations. I’m sure many of you can quote James 2:10 or James 2:14-17, as those seem to be very popular. And I’ve heard many pastors speak on James 2:1-4…… but I’ve heard many sermons that end before reaching verse 9. So here is the complete passage (ESV):

“1 My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. 2 For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, 3 and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, You sit here in a good place, while you say to the poor man, You stand over there, or, Sit down at my feet, 4 have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? 5 Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him? 6 But you have dishonored the poor man. Are not the rich the ones who oppress you, and the ones who drag you into court? 7 Are they not the ones who blaspheme the honorable name by which you were called?

8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. 11 For he who said, Do not commit adultery, also said, Do not murder. If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. 13 For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

Seems to me James 2:9 says that if you show partiality, you are sinning.

Just for fun, let’s see what other translations say (so no one can claim it’s limited to the ESV).

“But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.” KJV

“But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.” NIV & TNIV

“But if you favor some people over others, you are committing a sin. You are guilty of breaking the law.” NLT

“But if you show servile regard (prejudice, favoritism) for people, you commit sin and are rebuked and convicted by the Law as violators and offenders.” AMP

“But if you play up to these so-called important people, you go against the Rule and stand convicted by it.” The Message

Looks like all the major Bible translations call favoritism sin.

Just got me thinking about some of the stuff I’ve witnessed first hand.

Freddie, Please

For those who haven’t seen my Twitter or Facebook stream the past few days, I purchased Derek Webb’s new album Stockholm Syndrome. Derek is one of the founding members of the popular CCM group Caedmon’s Call and a few years ago decided to branch out into a solo career. I’ve never really listened to Caedmon’s Call or his solo stuff, but I was intrigued so I figured I’d buy it. Especially considering it’s the first explicit release from Christian label INO.

Anyways, like most people, I do most of my listening while driving. So I burned the album to disc and popped it into the CD player this morning before heading to work. I’d already listened to some of the album at home, but driving to work it felt like Derek was giving me a kick in the teeth on two songs in particular – Freddie, Please and The Spirit vs. The Kick Drum.

Freddie, Please is blatantly directed at those who judge homosexuals (NOT homosexual behavior) and one line in particular really stood out to me:

“How could you do this to me?
How can you tell them you love me,
when you hate me?

After doing a little research I discovered this morning that the song is in reference to Fred Phelps, the pastor of Westboro Baptist Church. The guy who has become infamous for the “God hates fags” pickett signs and website and also for protesting soldiers’ funerals.

The other song, The Spirit vs. The Kick Drum is the one that really was a kick to the face. It’s in reference to a Rich Mullins quote where people would come up to Mullins after concerts and say, “Wow! The Holy Spirit really moved at that certain point in the song,” and Mullins would respond, “No actually, that’s where the kick drum and the bass came in.” Three lines in the song say all that needs to be said about the Christian subculture:

“I don’t want the Father; you know I want a vending machine.
I don’t want the Son; you know I want a jury of peers.
I don’t want the Spirit; you know I want a kickdrum.”

So, I can’t wait to get off work just so I can listen to more of the album.
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